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    Promotion Problems

    Hi all,

    To cut a long story short, My OH is approaching 7 years in the RN, this includes good service, a voluntary! 6 month tour of Afghanistan with the promice of promotion at the end of it. However a year and a half on, he is on the worst ship apparently to get in your RN Career and not even a hint of promotion? Does this seem fair? or even normal?
    Everyone else I know seems to have got some form of promotion by three years of service... My OH works in Stores and never has he turned up late, drunk etc (unlike some of the others that he works with). Poor lad is absolutely desparate for some for of job recognition but they always seem to ignore him when the signal comes out. I have come to the conclusion that he is not seen as a leader, nothing against the women who work with him, but it seems that they don't take him seriously when he tries to do a bit of leadership

    Probably not, but is anyone else in a similar situation? or any thoughts on this? I can't believe that someone who volunteered to go to Afghan with the promice of promotion never recieved anything apart from a medal. One officer believes that if you go into a marine regiment for 2 years (this is what happened after he came of his first ship tour, he is not a marine or commando) this can take you out of the Navy loop, but I don't really agree with this because he has been in for nearly 7 Years, with others that are younger than him and been in less already a rank above or more. He used to love his job but constantly being ignored is causing him to doubt his position, but with the current climate etc, there is no chance of him coming out just yet, for a starters there is no work where we live anyway and he has no qualifications.

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    Hammys that sounds awful theres nothing worse than the feeling that you're gonig nowhere and getting there fast. There is a promotion freeze on for the forseeable future at my hubby's regiment so we have the same feelings of frustration in this house although thankfully he has at least got onto the ladder.

    You said your hubby is in stores? I don't know if the navy are different but here the storemen tend to be downgraded and less likely to recieve promotion anyway although if hes fit to tour then this is unlikely.

    You could be right in it being a lack of leadership qualities. In my hubby's midterm he was told he needs to be a bit more assertive to gain his next, their suggestion was for him to take some of the courses that are designed to imporve this area. He will be on approximately 6 courses in the next year and this will then qualify him to get onto the year long course (looking forward to that one!!!) that he has to take to be allowed his next rank (I think this is correct if not its in the right general area, hubbys trade is complicated what was wrong with plain old well done here's your next stripe??).

    Anyway my point is could he sit down with his oc or co (or the RN equivalent) and ask what his prospects are, where they see him going and why they think he's not gone anywhere for the past 7 years. They may be able to tel him some things he may not have realised and give him some constructive advise on how to get more from himself in order to progress.
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    Hi, What ship is he on? I wasnt aware that any ship was worse than others in terms of promotion prospects, its more likely to be down to the chain of command than the individual ship, although promotional prospects on the T45 do seem to be enhanced!!!!

    As Special Tree mentioned at the moment, promotions are going to be limited, however that should not mean that it is impossible. Has he completed all his task books and "ticked" all the boxes required to make him eligible? He probably really needs to sit down with his DO (Divisional Officer) and ask the v direct question what do I need to do?

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    See, RN works differently to other services, I think.

    It's all task book task book task book *rolls eyes*, was this 'promise of promotion', ever written down? Because the one thing I do know about the RN, is that they rarely promise a promotion. You have to really graft to get up on that promotion ladder. Unfortunately, there is also a waiting list and a rating has to be 'selected'. So chances are (no offence to your OH), if he is [email protected] at his job, his Div CO may well not put him forward, the same goes for not being 'leader' material. If he is good at his job and it is highly unlikely that they can not replace him, they may not let him go.

    You see, in the RN, it's all about avalaibility, believe me, I was on a losing battle for PHOT, from UW *rolls eyes again*.

    Many people in the RN can sit at a rating 1 (i.e basic rating -> OM2 -> OM1) and it's kind of an average timing to be a 1* for a good 7-9yrs.

    If he is really struggling with the non-promotion thing, I would suggest he speaks to his Div CO and ask what he needs to improve on.

    Going in as aleading hand, you have to go forward for selection and a Div CO won't place you towards that, if they feel the said rating isn't fully capable. So, it's not to do with the women around him, not taking him seriously, it's his role and how well he can achieve what is asked of him.
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    If he really thinks he's being passed over he needs to speak to who ever is writing his SJAR!
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    [QUOTE=Josephine;115882] was this 'promise of promotion', ever written down? Because the one thing I do know about the RN, is that they rarely promise a promotion.

    when they were trying to get people to volunteer for Afghan, he was told he would get a promotion as volunteering for a tour looks good on your record. Knowing what i know now, its probably the same trick they tell everyone to get em out there.

    He is on the Bulwark and he told me that it was a crap ship to get whence the term the bulw***. lol.

    I had a feeling that promotions would be scarse with the new govt, but to me it just seems unfair.

    I'll try to get him to speak to the head of department/boss/whatever lol, the thing is, i have no idea what he is like when hes on the ship, so for all i know, its the way he is on the ship that lets him down. men eh?

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    Bulwark is a piece of **** remembre when that first got commissioned, spent most of her time along side.

    Thing is, there may not be a need to have any LH's, for the moment. SA's seem to be a fallback branch, for those who get tired of their initial trade, along with those joining up. So, it may just be that there is no call for LH's.

    And yes, the RN like to make empty promises
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    Quote Originally Posted by Josephine View Post
    And yes, the RN like to make empty promises
    Oh my goodness, do they!! Rank and trade quotas, extended drafts, and even end of service and resettlement dates all up in the air because of the redundancies.

    There are so many variables and Josephine speaks with authority.
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    Promotion in the Navy is by selection on an annual board for that trade. So when his report is going to the board simply there are people with better reports. Is doesn't matter what ship you are on, the board members are independent and are looking at all qualified members of that trade. Your OH needs to look at his reports, talk to his DO and ask where he can improve and also check that his DO is ticking the correct boxes on his SJAR. He needs 'promote now' type wording.
    No one can promise a person promotion, even if he has volunteered for Afghanistan, they can say that an operational deployment can improve your chances. It really does depend on the 3 people sitting on the selection board, how your OH annual reports compares with his peers in the whole of the RN and also how many places they have to fill in the coming year. It could be for example that they only have 5 places and he was the 6th best candidate.
    It may just be that he has had a crap DO on the ship, and once he leaves and gets another DO at his new draft, he may get picked up on his next report.

    Good Luck

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    Could he put in for a transfer, if he's got to stay on amphibious, could he not see if the Ocean have an available slot?

    Maybe he could go have a chat with drafting up in drake, see if there is anything else available for his current ranking.
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    It sounds like promotion in the Navy is like in the Army. Mr D really wants to go for the next one so went and asked what he would have to do. They said be more assertive- take on more leadership. Do some voluntary work in the community, the list went on. So he has taken on two extra roles, organises extra bits and bobs and takes the new uns under his wing. He has also volunteered LOTS, and my boss has written a very nice letter to his boss thanking him for all the hard work. I Know it sounds a bit silly and that he is blowing his own trumpet but thats what they told him to do. At his career interviews he always says how far he wants to go, what responsibility he wants etc. Then its just wait and see. He might do all this and find someone else has done a bit more so they get the promotion.

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    I think if it was his choice then he probably would transfer but as he has got used to working alongside his current stores people, he is worried that it might go against him, especially as the reports are due to be done. He told them a few years ago when he was at chivenor that he was interest in transfering to PHOT and was allowed to do many different photographic work at the marine base. Unfortunately for him, he got drafted with a weeks notice to go to Bulwark, and I think they disaproved with him claiming that he wanted to transfer departments, they told him this at the start of his draft last August.
    Weighing up all the cons (including the fact he needed to do gcse english and maths at grade C) we decided that he would concentrate on his stores career and he has bloody worked hard in the department to show that he is interested in the department. The problem is, this period of PHOT interest may have slighted him in his route for promotion in stores.

    But it has been a year now of him working hard and showing intiative which his PO has commented on. So fingers crossed he might get something, he has even considered changing departments to something other than stores or phot, but once again this could hold him back. Such a shame really when someone is trying hard for a promotion or even just some recognition for the work that they do, but then this is the same as many others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scarlett View Post
    Promotion in the Navy is by selection on an annual board for that trade. So when his report is going to the board simply there are people with better reports. Is doesn't matter what ship you are on, the board members are independent and are looking at all qualified members of that trade. Your OH needs to look at his reports, talk to his DO and ask where he can improve and also check that his DO is ticking the correct boxes on his SJAR. He needs 'promote now' type wording.
    No one can promise a person promotion, even if he has volunteered for Afghanistan, they can say that an operational deployment can improve your chances. It really does depend on the 3 people sitting on the selection board, how your OH annual reports compares with his peers in the whole of the RN and also how many places they have to fill in the coming year. It could be for example that they only have 5 places and he was the 6th best candidate.
    It may just be that he has had a crap DO on the ship, and once he leaves and gets another DO at his new draft, he may get picked up on his next report.

    Good Luck
    Thanks for the valuable info, I don't know whether this makes him more or less likely to get a promotion but we will see x

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    PHOT's a pain to get into but ship's PHOT is a step forward. Maybe he should show interest in being part of Ship's PHOT team, it's what I did. Took 2yrs before I was even considered for the sideway's entry and I had to redo my Mathes GCSE to get to that point (seeing the pain in the arse bit, yet?).

    What I would suggest, is that he take a a few mins to sign up to our sister site The Navy Net: Rum Ration Navy Net Home and post about transfering into something different and he'll possibly get someone replying who has done just that from his trade, or going through the process. There are a few PHOTs registered over on navy-net too, that could help him out with advice.
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    ok will suggest that to him thankyou. He has been told loads of times that it is really hard to get into and i'm not sure myself that he would be able to get the right gcses (bad i know) so does it really seem worth it if he were to fail the gcses and be back at square 1. Great to hear from someone who has been in the similar situation though!

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    Quote Originally Posted by hammyswife View Post
    ok will suggest that to him thankyou. He has been told loads of times that it is really hard to get into and i'm not sure myself that he would be able to get the right gcses (bad i know) so does it really seem worth it if he were to fail the gcses and be back at square 1. Great to hear from someone who has been in the similar situation though!
    I can't remember what the level is to get in, think it is 3/3 (my memory has faded). In the drafting office at HMS Drake, they have a BIG folder, which has every single trade listed in it and the likelyhood of being released from said trade (again memory fades the name for it), it would be worth while paying a visit to drafty and see what's what.

    I put up a fight to transfer and twice I was in reach of transfering, had all papers signed and everything approved. The first time, a month before going into PHOT, I was pulled out and told my branch couldn't release me anymore. The 2nd time, I was pulled out 24-48hrs before leaving my ship to transfer and never got into the PHOT branch, which really didn't sit well with me.

    Good luck to him, it's worth the pain, even if it just gets him transfered. Redrafting shouldn't effect his promotional aspects but it's worth looking into.
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