Advertising

Welcome to Rear Party

The friendly sister of the Army Rumour Service for forces friends and families.

Register now (free) to join in, remove this information/advert and see less advertising

View Poll Results: Is there a need to change the current Medical Discharge and War Pensions System

Voters
12. You may not vote on this poll
  • YES

    10 83.33%
  • NO

    2 16.67%
Page 2 of 5 FirstFirst 12345 LastLast
Results 21 to 40 of 98
Discuss Medical Discharge / War Pension Idea? in News and Views on Rear Party; I have also placed some example's of where you need to concentrate on....
  
  1. #21
    Senior Member hitback's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Posts
    193

    Re: Medical Discharge / War Pension Idea?

    I have also placed some example's of where you need to concentrate on.
    If we stand together we will win!

  2. #22
    Senior Member hitback's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Posts
    193

    Re: Medical Discharge / War Pension Idea?

    It came to light, when John Reid was the Defence Minister, that the number of personnel on the Y List was too high. In his and the MoDs' wisdom, they decided to clear the decks. The welfare of service injured has been in decline for the past 10 years and there is no way it can be fixed in a couple of months. The new armed forces compensation scheme is also a scam. The % payment for the said injury is a one-off payment, what about the long term needs of the injured person? I believe the government is trying to push service veterans towards the civilian benefits system to reduce the costs payed out in war pensions.

    I also understand we as service personnel accept injury as a posibility in our line of work. However, I would also say that we should be correctly looked after. The fact that a civil servant with RSI to the thumb gets over 450 thousand pounds whilst others like myself get 83 pounds a week for a spinal injury, whilst doing their job, is no comparison.

    Meanwhile we have the Tories talking about giving well behaved council tenants up to 50 thousand pounds to buy into their property. If this is their view, then they have to look at re-instating the forces personnel getting points allocated for time in service quarters.


    Regards

    Hitback
    If we stand together we will win!

  3. #23
    Senior Member hitback's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Posts
    193

    Re: Medical Discharge / War Pension Idea?

    Hi all,

    I'm trying to establish, with examples, the failure veterans and service injured have faced. To that end I would like anyone that has been affected by any of the following to drop me a PM. Of course use your user name and remove names of other people.

    To highlight the current failures in MDs in paperwork etc', Pre-release course's for injuried, Compensation scheme, percentages for disability,NHS follow ups' and mental health follow ups'

    There is no way we can complain abot the way we have been treated without examples, so please do what you can to help.

    If you have a network of friends or family members that could also help to provide evidence that would be helpful.


    Regards

    Hitback
    If we stand together we will win!

  4. #24
    Senior Member hitback's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Posts
    193

    Re: Medical Discharge / War Pension Idea?

    All our service personnel do an outstanding job where ever they're deployed. However, it's a pity our political master don't see it that way. Today, some Veterans crossed the startline of "email express". The point of this exercise is to email one national paper in the UK with stories of how we as injured Veterans have been failed by the system. It's only due to Forces Charities, that so many veterans can survive. We didn't serve our country to be supported by charities. As the RBL has stated, "the covenant has been broken" and down to all Tri Service personnel and Veterans to make a positive vocal stand for change.


    Regards

    Hitback
    If we stand together we will win!

  5. #25
    Senior Member hitback's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Posts
    193

    Re: Medical Discharge / War Pension Idea?

    A National Paper has already contacted me to discuse this issue. A BIG WELL DONE to all those that took part in the "email express". I will keep the site updated on any move forward in this campaign.


    Regards

    Hitback
    If we stand together we will win!

  6. #26
    Senior Member hitback's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Posts
    193

    Re: Medical Discharge / War Pension Idea?

    We need more people to come forward with examples of failure. There are so many threads discussing these issues but very few people willing to commit.

    Please help PM me .

    Regards

    Hitback
    If we stand together we will win!

  7. #27
    Senior Member hitback's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Posts
    193

    Re: Medical Discharge / War Pension Idea?

    To the Director SP Pol (MA)

    I have place the following on the armynet. i hope to get a reply to the statement.

    I was informed that the War Pension Agency is given no ring fenced cash for its pensioners, all money comes from the defence budget. The Armed Forces Compensation Scheme AFPC only receives 2% of the Treasuries defence budget which is about 5 million a year.

    I would like the above mentioned person to confirm or to give the correct figures to the statement above.


    Regards

    Hitback
    If we stand together we will win!

  8. #28
    Senior Member hitback's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Posts
    193

    Re: Medical Discharge / War Pension Idea?

    The following has been discussed with other agencies. Please give feedback to these points. I believe this site is for those that have family members serving in the forces, to that end, just think how you would cope with an injured family member under the present system?. I will tell you now that one National Paper is very interested in this story.

    The point of this campaign is to address failures in the present system.

    The Medical Discharge procedure is very much all about the discharge of said injured person and not their future medical or welfare needs.

    As you will see by the options I’ve given you, the system could be improved to support the welfare and hospital needs of the service leaver.

    Whilst an injured person is on the Y List or at Headley Court, they should be encouraged to start pre-release courses’, CV writing, ECDL, Interview techniques. This will be a positive move towards their rehabilitation and future life as civilians. I believe this is called a pro-active approach to a failing system.

    The awards given for service injured personnel is a disgrace, I believe, if a national paper was able to get the current number of Service Personnel / Veteran waiting for, or, redressing the percentage of disability being offered. This would show how unfair the current system is. The fact that, follow up medicals are being done by doctors with No military back ground is totally wrong. These doctors, have no medical history on the patient but only a list of ailments they wish to claim for. The other point to this is, the civilian doctors will not understand PTSD, or the veteran will not be willing or permitted to talk openly about their duties whilst serving.

    The Armed Forces Compensation Scheme (AFPC). Perhaps one thing needed to be looked at is the number of claims declined under the AFCS versus those declined under the War Pension Scheme? Also since the introduction of the AFCS has the number of war pensions been reduced? I believe it has!!

    There is a need for a delegated Mental Health Officer/ Practitioner to visit the said person and their family. At present under the new SAM teams a phone number is given. There has been suggestions that some SAM personnel aren't handing out FMed 24's to the injured. Why?

    The need for a structured personnel plan for the injured person and their family, to include housing priority, benefit entitlements, future hospital appointments. All this would have to be done via a transition / liaison welfare worker. Not a retired Officer! (SAM)(JSHAO)

    The resettlement into Social Housing requires to be done at least 6 months prior to discharge. However, I believe the way the Housing Minister is looking at this for the forthcoming amendment will never be able to happen. I have placed the following on all the web sites running the social housing issue. The amendment of the Homelessness Legislation is going to be very minor indeed. I have been informed via a third source, (a very reliable one), that only those members of the armed forces who are already registered with a housing authority will be permitted a local connection.
    If you have still not registered with your preferred housing authority, then you require doing so BEFORE THE END OF THIS WEEK. If you require finding out their address or which one you need to register with, you can look them up on the local council web site or contact the JSHAO and ask them.
    I hope the CoC will be looking into this legislation change! They have a duty of care to all those who serve, including spouses and children of their soldiers. If I'm correct and the government is pulling this fast ball, then it will require CGS to confront the housing Minister and Mr Twigg!
    This is the kind of trick the Labour Party would pull.

    The partners of injured veterans who become the carers have no back up or rest bite. It’s not all about the veterans; it should be about the person that keeps it all together when the front door shuts.

    In conclusion, there is a lack of responsibility or the duty of care for our service personnel their families as well as veterans. The ignorance card that’s played day in and day out by Housing Authorities, The JSHAO, Doctors,and the MoD is disgraceful. The SPVA has also got to take some of the flak. They require to be more puissant in getting the information and resolving the needs of Veterans.

    The last thing an injured soldier and his family need to be told (I was told this) by the JSHAO is; “it’s a big bad world out there”. An injured soldier will not get a mortgage on his 22 year pension, with a combined a war pension included….




    Regards

    Hitback
    If we stand together we will win!

  9. #29
    Senior Member hitback's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Posts
    193

    Re: Medical Discharge / War Pension Idea?

    This issue like the housing one needs a response. Those that serve and go on operational deployment need to know that their medical and welfare needs will be cover if injured to include housing priority in civilian life. It's no good having a hear say system in place. It needs to be documentated and all those that deploy require to know what they will get from their Unit, Battalion and the Government. The fact that when John Reid and Adam Ingram MPs viewed our injured as drift wood that should be cut loose and abandoned, requires the up most interjection by the CoC.

    I noticed in the JSHAO magazine (Housing Matters) have placed details for housing authorities in their Sept issue. I'm glad to see to they have started to listen. The JSHAO web site is very good so credit where credits due. I never thought I would be able to say anything good about that organisation. All they need now is some power to influence change.

    The Royal British Legions campaign on the Broken Military Covenant doesn't just sit at the feet of MPs and Civil Servants, but also with those that were in the highest areas within the Chain of Command. As stated before on the other thread, Respect is a two way thing and unless those in the upper echelons of the armed forces start to show some, service personnel will feel dejected and sign off.


    Regards

    Hitback
    If we stand together we will win!

  10. #30
    Senior Member hitback's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Posts
    193

    Re: Medical Discharge / War Pension Idea?

    The RBL have some interesting points in this Pdf. The figure that covers those that have been turned down for the AFCS is shocking.

    This is imperative for the 45 death in-Service cases disallowed,
    but also important for the 145 medical discharge cases disallowed.



    Regards

    Hitback

    Read on if you dare:

    http://www.britishlegion.org.uk/uplo...ationMar07.pdf
    If we stand together we will win!

  11. #31
    Senior Member hitback's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Posts
    193

    Re: Medical Discharge / War Pension Idea?

    The interview with a National News Paper about this issue will be tomorrow. I shall keep the site updated on how it goes. I would like those reading this site to understand the following, the current AFCS only has enough funding to cover 15 to 20 of the most seriously injured personnel. The government has stated the max to be paid out will be 282k, they only placed 5 million into the AFCS system. So how many personnel are being turned away from their compensation?


    Hitback
    If we stand together we will win!

  12. #32
    Senior Member hitback's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Posts
    193

    Re: Medical Discharge / War Pension Idea?

    The interview with the Guardian went well, i'll keep the site updated on any out come.

    Regards

    hitback
    If we stand together we will win!

  13. #33
    Senior Member hitback's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Posts
    193

    Re: Medical Discharge / War Pension Idea?

    Quote Originally Posted by hitback
    The RBL have some interesting points in this Pdf. The figure that covers those that have been turned down for the AFCS is shocking.

    This is imperative for the 45 death in-Service cases disallowed,
    but also important for the 145 medical discharge cases disallowed.



    Regards

    Hitback

    Read on if you dare:

    http://www.britishlegion.org.uk/uplo...ationMar07.pdf
    I have managed to get some informaion on the MoD document. The points or some of them, brought up by the RBL have been addressed. However, this is an ongoing issue.

    Regards

    Hitback

    The MoD final Evaluation document March 2007

    http://www.mod.uk/NR/rdonlyres/DD352...uation_rpt.pdf

    The Royal British Legion Respose document.
    http://www.britishlegion.org.uk/uplo...ationMar07.pdf

    The MoD explains the AFCS plus other links

    http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/Ab...tionScheme.htm
    If we stand together we will win!

  14. #34
    Senior Member hitback's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Posts
    193

    Re: Medical Discharge / War Pension Idea?

    This is an organisation that works for and supports disabled people. This organisation started up in 1919 to support injured soldiers from the first world war and continues to give great support. This is their link http://www.remploy.co.uk/

    Regards

    Hitback
    If we stand together we will win!

  15. #35
    Senior Member schlafenmonster's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Posts
    930
    Images
    7

    Re: Medical Discharge / War Pension Idea?

    I seem to remember something in the news recently about Remploy having to lay people off due to financial reasons? Is this right?
    I have the mens rea, fancy an actus reus?
    Schlaffy's true identity
    My Blog, pm for an invite

  16. #36
    Senior Member hitback's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Posts
    193

    Re: Medical Discharge / War Pension Idea?

    That correct this link will give you information. I have just been informed by another user on Arrse. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7118979.stm

    Another example of how this government talks about getting disabled people back to work and of benefits but pulls the rug from under the organsiations that are doing their best to achieve this.

    The remploy advice and help I got was very good, I don't work for remploy but thay organised the equipment I required to do my job. If by getting support by none forces charities is there, more so in costings for equipment. Then we should use it. I hope this will enable the forces charities to place their strapped cash towards other areas.


    Regards

    Hitback
    If we stand together we will win!

  17. #37
    Senior Member hitback's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Posts
    193

    Re: Medical Discharge / War Pension Idea?

    I have been on other sites, in which this sissue has been placed. The problems that arise from this disjointed system of medical discharge is endemic throughout the armed forces. There have been issues of hurdles being placed in front of service injured personnel trying to find out what their financial prospects will be on discharge. One person spoke about not being given the F Med 24, statement of injury form (this is a mandatory document under the present system). Via a third party I was told that some SAM team commanders were making a personal judgement call on whether some people should be given this form. We must remember that the F Med 24 is the injured persons statement on all injures whilst serving, and the only form the Veterans Agency looks at in defence of the injured person.

    I will keep you updated on this issue over the next couple of weeks.

    Regards

    Hitback
    If we stand together we will win!

  18. #38
    Senior Member bootifull's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Location
    france
    Posts
    2,980
    Images
    3

    Re: Medical Discharge / War Pension Idea?

    Sacred FMED 24 available HERE

  19. #39
    Senior Member hitback's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Posts
    193

    Re: Medical Discharge / War Pension Idea?

    Thanks for that bootifull.
    If we stand together we will win!

  20. #40
    Senior Member hitback's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Posts
    193

    Re: Medical Discharge / War Pension Idea?

    I read other sites that discuss the issues and problems with the SPVA or the medical discharge system currently being used. I remember my MD very well, as it only lasted 15 minutes, the paperwork was already in the envelope with just my signature block hanging out. Once I signed the paperwork to be released I was ushered out of the room, told to go home and wait for the final instructions for my termination date.

    There was no information on housing or where to get it from. How much I was to be awarded as a % for my war pension. There was no information on future treatment for me in civvie street, or my entitlements. I was green to civilian life, never been on the other side before. But the system doesn't care about that, they have had their pound of flesh.

    To get back on the topic. I get several emails a week from people I have never met. Those people are service leavers or their partners asking for advice on social housing or medical discharge issues. I am always happy to try and aid service leavers. I know what it's like, I've been there. However, I am really shocked at the failings of the MoD and the forces welfare system. The JSHAO (Joint Services Housing Advice Organsiation) has a good website and puts out the 'housing matters magazine' every month, 'which will usually be found in the Families Office or Hive'. There is still alot that could be done towards aiding service leavers into their civilian transition for housing.
    The information required by a service leaver being Medically Discharged is nowhere to be seen. The administration staff in units give out complicated booklets or flow charts, which they don't understand themselves. The SPVA aren't permitted any information on the soldier whilst they are still serving. I mean the whole idea of the SPVA being set up was to allow for better communications between the Service / MoD admin staff and themselves, but that has not happened.

    I believe we need to get our teeth into the failings of the system and get it sorted out once and for all.

    Would the BAFF, The Royal British Legion, SSAFA and H4Hbe willing to support such a move? Would Rear Party be willing to get involved, we won the last campaign, how about this one!

    I hope we can get the support of our forces charities and the BAFF on side with this new campaign. Please let us know either way....

    Thanks

    Hitback
    If we stand together we will win!

Page 2 of 5 FirstFirst 12345 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •